I'm warmed and encouraged that several of you have found nice things
to say about my struggles with conspiracy theories here at TCF. I
just came in here to post up another addition to this thread and have
read your posts to me. I'll post this one to clear my mouse and then
respond to your kind posts. Thanks!
Relative to my previous two-part post above, in which I was musing
over the remarkable mindset held by some people who consider
themselves to be in the liberty movement (loosely-applied
generalization - by "liberty movement" I mean to imply nothing more
than such folks who would register and participate at TCF under the
wing of the writings of Claire Wolfe) I have noticed this evening
another example of that consciousness which would deny any need to
investigate the crimes of 9/11. This current rendering of that view is
on a thread here:
Here is the example of that view in a rather acute version:
To prove a point.
'Cause (and this is what most in the "9/11 Truth Movement" fail to
understand) IT DOESN'T MATTER.
It doesn't matter what happened. What matters is what happened
afterward. How it was used as an excuse to take away everybody's
civil liberties. That's what matters, not the act, but the effects of
Ever notice how nobody tries to shut these 9/11 Truthists up anymore?
How they just let them rattle on and make their little movies, and
hold their little conferences, and write their little books ad nauseum?
It's because everybody else has realized the futility of concentrating
on something that doesn't matter and has moved on to more important
fights. And the Federal Government let's them rattle on not because
of the First amendment, but because they've become useful
distractions, like beer and football and pizza and cheerleaders.
They're part of the circus in the "bread and circuses".
end quoted passages from above linked post, which is second down from
top of page at that url
That writer stressed his point with bold emphasis and all caps. He
apparently thinks it is important that some readers get the message
that "it doesn't matter". I disagree. I think it does matter.
Let's look at that philosophical stance. Let's establish an example,
for the sake of clarity on this issue, because many of us do think it
Hypothetical Scenario: A criminal breaks into a home and finds a
teen-age daughter at home alone. He proceeds to brandish a gun, binds
the girl's hands and feet, and rapes her painfully, repeatedly. Once
he is totally spent, he kills the teen-ager and escapes the home
before the parents return. When they come in, they find their abused
daughter's body which shows all the tell-tale signs of what had
happened to her. They are out of their minds with grief and dismay and
shock. They call the cops, who send the proper investigative and
enforcement officers and the hunt for the criminal begins at the same
time the investigation of the teen-age girl's rape/murder commences.
But the parents suddenly blurt out to the detectives - "Stop! There is
no need to find the guilty man! It doesn't matter! What matters is
that our daughter can never be returned to life in this world, to life
in our family. Catching the guilty man cannot possibly help us in any
way - so it doesn't matter. Call off your manhunt. Tell your
detectives to cease with their little finger-print dusting, tell your
cops to quit bagging up shards of evidence, tell the medical examiner
that it is not necessary to explore the gory details of her assault,
tell your department that it doesn't matter. She's dead. Our daughter
end hypothetical scenario.
Okay. So sane people everywhere can immediately see several major
problems with the hypothetical scenario. As coincidence would have it,
just last week I visited with a man who has retired after thirty years
with the Los Angeles Police Department. He and I discussed 9/11, but
only lightly. We visited mostly about his career as a police officer.
He had been a detective, among other career steps up the ladder in
LAPD. He is a very nice gentleman who joined the police force to help
people. (Yes, some good men and women do that, even today, and I
appreciate them, especially those who know about the inherent evils of
government in general.) Anyway, this gentleman was curious about why I
would fill my home with clusters of books on history and governmental
abuses and biographies of "leaders" in America's past. He remarked
about my extensive collection of "conspiracy theory" documentary
videos. It pleased me to be able to point to various documentary films
here to reinforce or authenticate various comments I shared with him
about 9/11, including the slow-motion footages of the twin towers'
multiple explosions which are now on film for anyone to see. I showed
him the CBS film of WTC-7 collapsing, which is in my opinion the best
angle employed for the filming of that event, and the gentleman was
staggered by watching that event. He had not seen it before, except
for the original shots shown on television that afternoon (9/11). I
assured him that I was not asking him to make a decision about what
his eyes had just shown him, not at that time, and I thanked him for
being willing to view the footage. But while I visited with the
gentleman we talked quite a bit about crime, and the role of law
enforcement, and the place for law enforcement in society.
You see, this guy, after thirty years in LAPD, knows damned well what
is wrong with that hypothetical scenario I jotted down above. There is
one reason why it does matter
to catch the criminal, the
rapist, the murderer. That reason is simple, and it stuns me to see
people posting here at TCF saying things which indicate that they have
not even considered this most-obvious reason -
You must catch and bring to justice any aggressive criminal such as a
rapist or a murderer because until you do catch him and bring him to
justice the son of a bitch is likely to repeat the crime again with
yet another victim. Criminals tend to repeat crimes until law
enforcement stops them. It's just that simple.
The people who planned, orchestrated, financed, choreographed,
selected the personnel, compartmentalized the various stages and
sub-plot divisions, staged, recruited "red-herrings" or useful dupes
or "patsies" for, and executed, the crimes of 9/11/2001 shall surely
do it again if we do not catch them and bring them to justice. And to
grace-note that observation we must always remember that many
spokesmen for the government's conspiracy theory about 9/11 have said
that the next terror event is not a matter of "if" but "when".
General Tommy Franks, about whom we spoke just above on this thread as
being the man who managed to divert the U.S. military against the
request of the CIA's on-the-ground commander so that Osama bin Laden
could "get away" at Tora Bora in early December, 2001, General Tommy
Franks himself, published an interview in Cigar Officienado magazine
(sp?) in which he said publicly that when the next terror event occurs
we may have to do away with the Constitution and "go to a military
form of government". A "military form of government" is also known as
"martial law". Both are names for "police state". All three terms are
associated with tyranny, dictators, and government mass abuse of
populations. See Claire's and Aaron Zelman's amazing video
documentary, "Innocents Betrayed".
While you're thinking on that one, please read henshawe's amazing
thread on the coming police state, here:
Martial Law Coming To The U.S.?
So let's get real. It does matter. Allow me to repeat here one
If Melvin Lattimore was involved in the Oklahoma City Federal building
bombing in 1995 and was also involved in the 1993 WTC bombing, and if
he was in Federal prison between those two events, and was let out of
prison so the FBI could use him as an "informant", it damn-well
matters. Let's look into this FBI informant/agent-provocateur, Melvin
Lattimore, just briefly here to show something which the mainstream
media refuses to discuss with the American people. (This is from
Patrick B. Briley, author of one report to the Congressional 9/11
John C.Richter prosecuted FBI provocateur and informant Melvin
Lattimore in OKC in October and November 2001 shortly after the 9/11
attacks for a firearms charge relating to Lattimore ‘s prior
conviction of a felony. Richter’s prosecution was an intentional
effort by Richter, Michael Chertoff, the White House and the DOJ and
the FBI to put Lattimore out of the public limelight to keep the
public from learning the details of Lattimore’s direct roles as an FBI
informant and provocateur in the 1993 WTC and OKC bombings and the
9/11 attacks. Richter, the DOJ and the White House knew of but did not
prosecute Lattimore for Lattimore’s much more grievous and serious
roles and instead prosecuted Lattimore for a relatively minor firearms
charge. Lattimore was out of jail in 14 months and has been walking
American streets for several years now.
Here is some of what is known about Melvin Lattimore that Richter, the
FBI, CIA, DOJ, Chertoff, Ashcroft, GW Bush, Alberto Gonzales. Porter
Goss, Negropotne, etc have known for years:
Lattimore is a Black Muslim originally from St Louis, Missouri. He was
convicted in the late 1970s for stockpiling weapons and explosives at
a St Louis mosque. His Muslim name is Mujahid Abdul-qaddir Menepta. He
has been identified as Al Fatah’s North American recruiter associated
with the PLO and Hamas in OKC. He was living in OK at the time of the
OKC bombing and was associated with OKC and Norman, OK mosques.
Lattimore’s credit card was used to buy the bombing making materials
for the 1993 WTC bombing. Richter’s proteges’, US Attorneys Michael
Chertoff and Patrick Fitzgerald, knew about, approved, covered up and
lied to Congress and the courts about their role with the FBI in
paying Emad Salem to recruit 7 men to bomb the WTC in 1993 using
materials bought with Lattimore’s credit card.
Four of the men that worked with Lattimore and Salem were Anis and
Asad Siddiqy, Mr Yassin (sent back to Iraq by US Attorneys!) and
Mohammed Chafti and they were trained in explosives by FBI and CIA
provocateur and informant Ali Mohammed who was released a month ago by
the DOJ after being convicted in 1998 of the Tanzania and Kenyan
bombing and for helping Bin Laden and AlQaeda.
Lattimore was an FBI provocateur and informant who, along with the
Siddiqys and Chafti helped and encourage McVeigh in OKC carry out the
OKC bombing. Lattimore’s 1993 WTC bombing associates, the Siddiqys and
Chafti, were with McVeigh in OKC moments before the OKC bombing. The
witness to this, Debbie Burdick, was threatened to not talk to the
press or to defense attorneys by FBI agent Odom out of Denver during
and after the OKC bombing trials while Odom and FBI agent Floyd Zimms
were working for DOJ prosecutors in Denver. FBI and CIA agent Floyd
Zimms (wife was an HW Bush Republican delegate) arranged for the
release of the Siddiqys and Chafti after they were arrested on the day
of the OKC bombing. The FBI’s former OKC bombing Inspector, Danny
Defenbaugh, hid the FBI 302 reports of the arrests of the Siddiqy’s
and Chafti until the reports were identified in his Dallas FBI office
(FBI SAC Dallas) in January 2001.
Lattimore worked closely with Iraqi provocateurs brought back to the
US after the first Gulf war by HW Bush and the CIA including Iraqi
provocateur, Al Hussain Hussaini. Hussini had been employed by Dr.
Samir Khalil, a Hamas and PLO operative whose PLO and Hamas employees
and friends closely associated with Lattimore in OKC. Khalil and
Hussaini, like Lattimore have never been questioned or prosecuted for
their roles in the OKC bombing. A former assistant US attorney in OKC,
Ted Richardson, had convened a federal grand jury to investigate Dr
Khalil in early 1995 only to have Reno abruptly quash the grand jury
shortly after the OKC bombing. Ted Richardson was found dead with a
shotgun wound to his chest not far from Khalil’s home in OKC during
the McVeigh federal trial.
Lattimore was with McVeigh’s car and two other FBI provocateurs, James
Rosencrans and Sean Kenny, at the OKC Travelers Aid adjacent to the
bombed Murrah federal building one day before the OKC bombing. 6 FBI
agents spent 9 months browbeating 4 witnesses at the Travelers Aid
trying to make them change their story about seeing Lattimore at the
Travelers Aid. No FBI sketches of Lattimore were ever done with the
witnesses even though the FBI sketch artist Jean Boylin was available
in OKC at the time. No FBI 302 interview notes with the witnesses were
ever made available in the federal or OK state OKC bombing trials. Fox
News bureau chief, Russ Cosby told me in 2004 that Fox News had
determined that Lattimore had accompanied McVeigh at several other
locations in OKC around the time of the OKC bombing.
In June through August 2001 AG Ashcroft (and DOJ IG Glen Fine) were
informed of the Travelers Aid story in writing and in person by
retired Air Force General Benton K. Partin. Yet intentionally nothing
was done by Ashcroft or Fine about Lattimore.
One of the Travelers Aid witnesses, its director Gloria Smith, told
Fox News reporters working for Russ Cosby during a taped interview
that had Ashcroft and IG Fine had acted appropriately on the
information it turns out that 9/11 should not have been allowed to
happen, that is unless, it was intentionally allowed it to happen:
Lattimore was the roommate of the 20th 9/11 hijacker Zacarias
Moussaoui while he attended the Airman flight school in Norman
Oklahoma in 2000 and 2001.Lattimore also briefly roomed with 9/11
hijackers Al Hazmi and AlShehhi in Norman. The FBI was closely
monitoring all of this in Norman at the time according to FBI
documents obtained by reporter Greg Gordon.
Lattimore traveled to Minnesota in August 2001 to bail Moussaoui’s
other roommate, AlAttas out of jail, at a time when Minneapolis FBI
agents were holding Moussaoui and Al Attas and were being denied
permission to search Moussaoui’s computer by senior FBI counter
terrorism officials known to and close to Bush, Chertoff and John C.
end passages by Patrick B. Briley
This is the sort of stuff that the goddamned Federal government does
not want us talking about. This is the sort of stuff which certain
people posting here avoid like the plague, because this is the sort of
stuff which makes everything I've said become "real" to readers who
are trying to find the truth about the demise of America as brought
about by the government's use of false-flag terrorism events. This is
a picture into the inner workings of the domestic American
Intelligence community and it gives hints about how certain criminals
inside our Intelligence community operate - conspire - to arrange the
public events which government uses to engender the fear-of-terrorism
which they then use to control American citizens' behavior and
soften-up the average American citizen to the point at which he
becomes willing to accept the goddamned police state. This deals with
the psychology behind false-flag events.
In my two major Conspiracy Theory threads here at TCF I've already
covered this material in general ways, so I'm only bringing up this
small bit here for the purpose of making the case for my belief that
"It does matter!"
. Until we identify the guilty criminals who
arranged the attacks of 9/11, and discover how they used U.S.
government assets (agencies and offices and finance) to carry out the
attacks, we are totally subject to see that same group of
conspirators, hidden now inside government seats of power, commit yet
another horrendous false-flag attack on this nation. And when they do
(remember, they've told us, "when - not if"
) they will drop
that iron net of totalitarian police-state corporatized tyranny over
all of our heads. Let us ask ourselves again - does that
I think that matters a great deal.
Thank you for reading!